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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:43 pm
Post subject: Moving 80 gigs from one spot on a USB drive to another spot on the same drivee
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Moving 80 gigs from one spot on a USB mechanicial hard drive to
another spot on the same drivee
I have a 500gig MyBook, USB external drive by WD, and I have to move
80 gigs from a FAT32 primary partition to a FAT32 logical partition,
to make a slot for a new bootable primary partition, since I'm only
allowed 3 and I already have 2. (Yes, I didn't plan well enough.)
A) Is there some clever partitioning program that can just leave the
data in place and make it into a new logical partion within a new
extended partition? Even thought this data is at the beginning of
the drive? I have no extended partition now, but would have to make
one somewhere for sure.
B) If A won't work and I have to move the data, which would be faster:
1) to copy the data from the current partition to the new logical
partition, or
2) to copy the data to a folder or new partition in my internal
drive, an 80 Gig, WD PATA drive; and then copy it back again.
I've gotten the impression the second might be faster and easeier,
because to copy from one place to another on the same drive means an
awful lot of head/tone arm movement, back and forth, back and forth;
but to use two drives leaves the head in almost the same place all the
time, just moving graduallly through the partition. That it might be
so much better it woudl be better to make the move twice, to the other
drive and back again, than to do so on one drive.
I have one gig of ram though I could put in another 500 meg of ram if
it will help. I have USB2.
What should I do?
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 1:23 am
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Move is move it all take time, The more GB you move,
The more time it takes... And your ram is just fine!
(Yes, we all didn't plan well enough the first time)
[And when we thank are plan are just right... We see we needed to plan just
a little bit more!]
"mm" wrote in message
> Moving 80 gigs from one spot on a USB mechanicial hard drive to
> another spot on the same drivee
>
> I have a 500gig MyBook, USB external drive by WD, and I have to move
> 80 gigs from a FAT32 primary partition to a FAT32 logical partition,
> to make a slot for a new bootable primary partition, since I'm only
> allowed 3 and I already have 2. (Yes, I didn't plan well enough.)
>
> A) Is there some clever partitioning program that can just leave the
> data in place and make it into a new logical partion within a new
> extended partition? Even thought this data is at the beginning of
> the drive? I have no extended partition now, but would have to make
> one somewhere for sure.
>
> B) If A won't work and I have to move the data, which would be faster:
>
> 1) to copy the data from the current partition to the new logical
> partition, or
> 2) to copy the data to a folder or new partition in my internal
> drive, an 80 Gig, WD PATA drive; and then copy it back again.
>
> I've gotten the impression the second might be faster and easeier,
> because to copy from one place to another on the same drive means an
> awful lot of head/tone arm movement, back and forth, back and forth;
> but to use two drives leaves the head in almost the same place all the
> time, just moving graduallly through the partition. That it might be
> so much better it woudl be better to make the move twice, to the other
> drive and back again, than to do so on one drive.
>
> I have one gig of ram though I could put in another 500 meg of ram if
> it will help. I have USB2.
>
> What should I do?
>
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 2:17 am
Post subject: Re: Moving 80 gigs from one spot on a USB drive to another spot on the same drivee [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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mm wrote:
> Moving 80 gigs from one spot on a USB mechanicial hard drive to
> another spot on the same drivee
>
> I have a 500gig MyBook, USB external drive by WD, and I have to move
> 80 gigs from a FAT32 primary partition to a FAT32 logical partition,
> to make a slot for a new bootable primary partition, since I'm only
> allowed 3 and I already have 2. (Yes, I didn't plan well enough.)
>
It doesn't look to me you are creating a slot with either of the plans
you propose. You have to move the Primary Partition into an existing
Extended Partition -- not create a new one. An Extended Partition is
itself actually a non-bootable Primary Partition which is a container
for multiple Logical Partitions. The Extended Partition counts toward
the maximum of four Primary Partitions that are allowable per hard disk.
You actually can have multiple Extended Partitions, but it makes no
sense. You really just want one container holding a bunch of Logicals.
What currently is on the hard drive in addition to the 2 Primaries? You
are allowed 4 Primaries, one of which may be an Extended Partition
container.
> A) Is there some clever partitioning program that can just leave the
> data in place and make it into a new logical partion within a new
> extended partition? Even thought this data is at the beginning of
> the drive? I have no extended partition now, but would have to make
> one somewhere for sure.
>
> B) If A won't work and I have to move the data, which would be faster:
>
> 1) to copy the data from the current partition to the new logical
> partition, or
> 2) to copy the data to a folder or new partition in my internal
> drive, an 80 Gig, WD PATA drive; and then copy it back again.
>
> I've gotten the impression the second might be faster and easeier,
> because to copy from one place to another on the same drive means an
> awful lot of head/tone arm movement, back and forth, back and forth;
> but to use two drives leaves the head in almost the same place all the
> time, just moving graduallly through the partition. That it might be
> so much better it woudl be better to make the move twice, to the other
> drive and back again, than to do so on one drive.
>
> I have one gig of ram though I could put in another 500 meg of ram if
> it will help. I have USB2.
>
> What should I do?
>
> Thanks.
--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 10:43 am
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"PCR" wrote:
> [.......]
> An Extended Partition is
> itself actually a non-bootable Primary Partition which is a container
> for multiple Logical Partitions....
Perhaps "non-booting" would be a better term than "non-bootable"
because an OS within a logical drive inside an Extended Partition
can be booted using the boot loader (e.g. ntldr for WinNT/2K/XP)
that can be in the Boot Sector of any one of the Primary Partitions.
IOW, in WinXP, one can have the MBR of the drive with the highest
boot priority (the "boot drive") pass control to the Primary Partition
marked "active" on that drive, and the boot.ini boot menu in that active
partition can point to an OS residing in ANY partition - including a
logical drive within the Extended Partition - and boot load that OS.
I expect that the same flexibility exists for WinVista and Win7. The
restriction imposed on OSes residing on logical drives within Extended
Partitions is that their boot loader must be on one of the Primary Partitions.
The implication of this is that an OS clone can reside anywhere in
the system - on any partition (Primary or Extended) and on any enabled
internal hard drive - and it can be booted to running status without an
intermediate "restoration" step needed for OS "images". I believe this
also includes external eSATA hard drives if the motherboard has an
eSATA controller.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:11 pm
Post subject: Re: Moving 80 gigs from one spot on a USB drive to another spot on the same drivee [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Timothy Daniels wrote:
> "PCR" wrote:
>> [.......]
>> An Extended Partition is
>> itself actually a non-bootable Primary Partition which is a container
>> for multiple Logical Partitions....
>
> Perhaps "non-booting" would be a better term than "non-bootable"
> because an OS within a logical drive inside an Extended Partition
> can be booted using the boot loader (e.g. ntldr for WinNT/2K/XP)
> that can be in the Boot Sector of any one of the Primary Partitions.
> IOW, in WinXP, one can have the MBR of the drive with the highest
> boot priority (the "boot drive") pass control to the Primary Partition
> marked "active" on that drive, and the boot.ini boot menu in that
> active partition can point to an OS residing in ANY partition -
> including a
> logical drive within the Extended Partition - and boot load that OS.
> I expect that the same flexibility exists for WinVista and Win7. The
> restriction imposed on OSes residing on logical drives within Extended
> Partitions is that their boot loader must be on one of the Primary
> Partitions.
>
> The implication of this is that an OS clone can reside anywhere in
> the system - on any partition (Primary or Extended) and on any enabled
> internal hard drive - and it can be booted to running status without
> an intermediate "restoration" step needed for OS "images". I believe
> this
> also includes external eSATA hard drives if the motherboard has an
> eSATA controller.
>
> *TimDaniels*
I didn't want to risk the danger of XP/Vista/Win7-irradiation to learn
all that, but it does sound magical indeed. I don't see that mm
mentioned his OS. Would that work for a volume that is Win98 too? (I
believe I've read a Win98 OS must begin within the first 8 GB of a hard
drive to boot, which may be a consideration.)
Should mm decide to do it that way -- it could be best for you to stick
around!
--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:11 pm
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You say:: read a Win98 OS must begin within the first 8 GB of a hard drive
to boot,
my have on one Computer at::
Root ( C: ) 524 MB, win98 (D  18.8 GB, and win2000 18.6 GB
so that makes 98 at the first 524 MB
on # 2 Computer I test the Win98 OS must begin within the first 8 GB and
start the Root at 10 GB
Give me today's a testing and we see if that right!
"PCR" wrote in message
<cut-out-&-Paste>
> I didn't want to risk the danger of XP/Vista/Win7-irradiation to learn
> all that, but it does sound magical indeed. I don't see that mm
> mentioned his OS. Would that work for a volume that is Win98 too? (I
> believe I've read a Win98 OS must begin within the first 8 GB of a hard
> drive to boot, which may be a consideration.)
>
> Should mm decide to do it that way -- it could be best for you to stick
> around!
>
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> Should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp.TakeThisOut@netzero.net
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 11:33 pm
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On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 18:11:52 -0400, "PCR" wrote:
>Timothy Daniels wrote:
>> "PCR" wrote:
>>> [.......]
>>> An Extended Partition is
>>> itself actually a non-bootable Primary Partition which is a container
>>> for multiple Logical Partitions....
>>
>> Perhaps "non-booting" would be a better term than "non-bootable"
>> because an OS within a logical drive inside an Extended Partition
>> can be booted using the boot loader (e.g. ntldr for WinNT/2K/XP)
>> that can be in the Boot Sector of any one of the Primary Partitions.
>> IOW, in WinXP, one can have the MBR of the drive with the highest
>> boot priority (the "boot drive") pass control to the Primary Partition
>> marked "active" on that drive, and the boot.ini boot menu in that
>> active partition can point to an OS residing in ANY partition -
>> including a
>> logical drive within the Extended Partition - and boot load that OS.
>> I expect that the same flexibility exists for WinVista and Win7. The
>> restriction imposed on OSes residing on logical drives within Extended
>> Partitions is that their boot loader must be on one of the Primary
>> Partitions.
>>
>> The implication of this is that an OS clone can reside anywhere in
>> the system - on any partition (Primary or Extended) and on any enabled
>> internal hard drive - and it can be booted to running status without
>> an intermediate "restoration" step needed for OS "images". I believe
>> this
>> also includes external eSATA hard drives if the motherboard has an
>> eSATA controller.
>>
>> *TimDaniels*
>
>I didn't want to risk the danger of XP/Vista/Win7-irradiation to learn
>all that, but it does sound magical indeed. I don't see that mm
>mentioned his OS.
I was only concerned about efficient ways to copy files. The question
of how to boot occurs to me at times, but my head starts to spin and I
have to lie down.
> Would that work for a volume that is Win98 too? (I
>believe I've read a Win98 OS must begin within the first 8 GB of a hard
>drive to boot, which may be a consideration.)
Win98 definitely had more rules than XP, but when I lay down, they all
drained out of my head via my ears.
>
>Should mm decide to do it that way -- it could be best for you to stick
>around!
Currently no computer I have can boot from USB. I was a couple weeks
ago repairing an 18-month old netbook that could, and it was very
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 1:06 am
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Hot-Text wrote:
> You say:: read a Win98 OS must begin within the first 8 GB of a hard
> drive to boot,
> my have on one Computer at::
> Root ( C: ) 524 MB, win98 (D 18.8 GB, and win2000 18.6 GB
> so that makes 98 at the first 524 MB
>
Are C: & D: on the same hard drive? Then that would prove there's a way
around the problem, if you can boot D:.
> on # 2 Computer I test the Win98 OS must begin within the first 8 GB
> and start the Root at 10 GB
> Give me today's a testing and we see if that right!
>
All right. But don't take any big chances testing it just for me. I mean
that!
> "PCR" wrote in message
>
>
> <cut-out-&-Paste>
>> I didn't want to risk the danger of XP/Vista/Win7-irradiation to
>> learn all that, but it does sound magical indeed. I don't see that mm
>> mentioned his OS. Would that work for a volume that is Win98 too? (I
>> believe I've read a Win98 OS must begin within the first 8 GB of a
>> hard drive to boot, which may be a consideration.)
>>
>> Should mm decide to do it that way -- it could be best for you to
>> stick around!
>>
>>
>> --
>> Thanks or Good Luck,
>> There may be humor in this post, and,
>> Naturally, you will not sue,
>> Should things get worse after this,
>> PCR
>> pcrrcp RemoveThis @netzero.net
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Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 1:06 am
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 1:30 am
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mm wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 18:11:52 -0400, "PCR" wrote:
>
>>Timothy Daniels wrote:
>>> "PCR" wrote:
>>>> [.......]
>>>> An Extended Partition is
>>>> itself actually a non-bootable Primary Partition which is a
>>>> container for multiple Logical Partitions....
>>>
>>> Perhaps "non-booting" would be a better term than "non-bootable"
>>> because an OS within a logical drive inside an Extended Partition
>>> can be booted using the boot loader (e.g. ntldr for WinNT/2K/XP)
>>> that can be in the Boot Sector of any one of the Primary Partitions.
>>> IOW, in WinXP, one can have the MBR of the drive with the highest
>>> boot priority (the "boot drive") pass control to the Primary
>>> Partition marked "active" on that drive, and the boot.ini boot menu
>>> in that active partition can point to an OS residing in ANY
>>> partition - including a
>>> logical drive within the Extended Partition - and boot load that OS.
>>> I expect that the same flexibility exists for WinVista and Win7.
>>> The restriction imposed on OSes residing on logical drives within
>>> Extended Partitions is that their boot loader must be on one of the
>>> Primary Partitions.
>>>
>>> The implication of this is that an OS clone can reside anywhere
>>> in the system - on any partition (Primary or Extended) and on any
>>> enabled internal hard drive - and it can be booted to running
>>> status without an intermediate "restoration" step needed for OS
>>> "images". I believe this
>>> also includes external eSATA hard drives if the motherboard has an
>>> eSATA controller.
>>>
>>> *TimDaniels*
>>
>>I didn't want to risk the danger of XP/Vista/Win7-irradiation to learn
>>all that, but it does sound magical indeed. I don't see that mm
>>mentioned his OS.
>
> I was only concerned about efficient ways to copy files. The question
> of how to boot occurs to me at times, but my head starts to spin and I
> have to lie down.
>
Something's gone wrong! The hard drive is supposed to spin -- not your
head!
>> Would that work for a volume that is Win98 too? (I
>>believe I've read a Win98 OS must begin within the first 8 GB of a
>>hard drive to boot, which may be a consideration.)
>
> Win98 definitely had more rules than XP, but when I lay down, they all
> drained out of my head via my ears.
Uh-huh. Could be they changed the rules, & the NTLDR method may allow it
now. Hot-text is running a test. In the meantime, look under your cot to
see what's under there.
>>
>>Should mm decide to do it that way -- it could be best for you to
>>stick around!
>
> Currently no computer I have can boot from USB. I was a couple weeks
> ago repairing an 18-month old netbook that could, and it was very
> convenient, since it had no CD drive or floppy drive.
That would be convenient, then; yeah. So -- why do you want another slot
for a Primary Partition? I was presuming you wanted a partition that
would boot.
--
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There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 1:40 am
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Hot-Text wrote:
> Are C: & D: on the same hard drive? YES
I see. OK. Now I'm thinking, the way they got around the problem was --
the NTLDR actually is booting the Root partition which is inside the 8
GB limit. Then the Win98 partition is somehow loaded/run from there,
even though it is much beyond the 8 GB barrier. That's probably it.
There's no real need to test it, Hot-Text. I don't want anything to go
wrong!
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Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 2:28 am
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LOOL it's a old PC with a 128 RAM
with a 30 GB 16 Head Hard Drive..
A Start PC the one 98 CD have all the Drive on; so I can get network and
put I Hardware drive before I move the Hard Drive.. to a newer PC
"PCR" wrote in message
> Hot-Text wrote:
>> Are C: & D: on the same hard drive? YES
>
> I see. OK. Now I'm thinking, the way they got around the problem was --
> the NTLDR actually is booting the Root partition which is inside the 8
> GB limit.
<<<<<<<< True >>>>>>>
But I can do Hidden FAT32 LBA 9 GB
Do a FAT32 10 GB for Root
That will put the ROOT pass 9 GB
A install 98 will put Windows pass 19 GB
I start on it at 1  M 10/29/2010
Then the Win98 partition is somehow loaded/run from there,
> even though it is much beyond the 8 GB barrier. That's probably it.
> There's no real need to test it, Hot-Text. I don't want anything to go
> wrong!
>
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> Should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp DeleteThis @netzero.net
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 3:16 am
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On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 01:30:19 -0400, "PCR" wrote:
>mm wrote:
>> On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 18:11:52 -0400, "PCR" wrote:
>>
>>>Timothy Daniels wrote:
>>>> "PCR" wrote:
>>>>> [.......]
>>>>> An Extended Partition is
>>>>> itself actually a non-bootable Primary Partition which is a
>>>>> container for multiple Logical Partitions....
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps "non-booting" would be a better term than "non-bootable"
>>>> because an OS within a logical drive inside an Extended Partition
>>>> can be booted using the boot loader (e.g. ntldr for WinNT/2K/XP)
>>>> that can be in the Boot Sector of any one of the Primary Partitions.
>>>> IOW, in WinXP, one can have the MBR of the drive with the highest
>>>> boot priority (the "boot drive") pass control to the Primary
>>>> Partition marked "active" on that drive, and the boot.ini boot menu
>>>> in that active partition can point to an OS residing in ANY
>>>> partition - including a
>>>> logical drive within the Extended Partition - and boot load that OS.
>>>> I expect that the same flexibility exists for WinVista and Win7.
>>>> The restriction imposed on OSes residing on logical drives within
>>>> Extended Partitions is that their boot loader must be on one of the
>>>> Primary Partitions.
>>>>
>>>> The implication of this is that an OS clone can reside anywhere
>>>> in the system - on any partition (Primary or Extended) and on any
>>>> enabled internal hard drive - and it can be booted to running
>>>> status without an intermediate "restoration" step needed for OS
>>>> "images". I believe this
>>>> also includes external eSATA hard drives if the motherboard has an
>>>> eSATA controller.
>>>>
>>>> *TimDaniels*
>>>
>>>I didn't want to risk the danger of XP/Vista/Win7-irradiation to learn
>>>all that, but it does sound magical indeed. I don't see that mm
>>>mentioned his OS.
>>
>> I was only concerned about efficient ways to copy files. The question
>> of how to boot occurs to me at times, but my head starts to spin and I
>> have to lie down.
>>
>
>Something's gone wrong! The hard drive is supposed to spin -- not your
>head!
>
>>> Would that work for a volume that is Win98 too? (I
>>>believe I've read a Win98 OS must begin within the first 8 GB of a
>>>hard drive to boot, which may be a consideration.)
>>
>> Win98 definitely had more rules than XP, but when I lay down, they all
>> drained out of my head via my ears.
>
>Uh-huh. Could be they changed the rules, & the NTLDR method may allow it
>now. Hot-text is running a test. In the meantime, look under your cot to
>see what's under there.
>
>>>
>>>Should mm decide to do it that way -- it could be best for you to
>>>stick around!
>>
>> Currently no computer I have can boot from USB. I was a couple weeks
>> ago repairing an 18-month old netbook that could, and it was very
>> convenient, since it had no CD drive or floppy drive.
>
>That would be convenient, then; yeah. So -- why do you want another slot
>for a Primary Partition? I was presuming you wanted a partition that
>would boot.
No, I just wanted storage, for a disk-image iirc. This thread started
17 days ago, and I'm not sure anymore.
If I weren't planning to move to another computer with a new bigger
hdd, I might get a bigger HDD for this box, but when arranged right
I've got enough room for a few months if necessary.
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 7:15 pm
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Hot-Text wrote:
> LOOL it's a old PC with a 128 RAM
> with a 30 GB 16 Head Hard Drive..
> A Start PC the one 98 CD have all the Drive on; so I can get network
> and put I Hardware drive before I move the Hard Drive.. to a newer PC
>
I see. Looks like you know what you're doing, then. OK. So long as it
isn't your main computer. Very good.
> "PCR" wrote in message
>
>> Hot-Text wrote:
>>> Are C: & D: on the same hard drive? YES
>>
>> I see. OK. Now I'm thinking, the way they got around the problem was
>> -- the NTLDR actually is booting the Root partition which is inside
>> the 8 GB limit.
>
> <<<<<<<< True >>>>>>>
> But I can do Hidden FAT32 LBA 9 GB
> Do a FAT32 10 GB for Root
>
> That will put the ROOT pass 9 GB
> A install 98 will put Windows pass 19 GB
>
So, that gets both the Root and the Win98 partition to start past the 8
GB point.
> I start on it at 1M 10/29/2010
>
OK, let us know.
> Then the Win98 partition is somehow loaded/run from there,
>> even though it is much beyond the 8 GB barrier. That's probably it.
>> There's no real need to test it, Hot-Text. I don't want anything to
>> go wrong!
>>
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 7:39 pm
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mm wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 01:30:19 -0400, "PCR" wrote:
>
>>mm wrote:
>>> On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 18:11:52 -0400, "PCR"
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Timothy Daniels wrote:
>>>>> "PCR" wrote:
>>>>>> [.......]
>>>>>> An Extended Partition is
>>>>>> itself actually a non-bootable Primary Partition which is a
>>>>>> container for multiple Logical Partitions....
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps "non-booting" would be a better term than
>>>>> "non-bootable" because an OS within a logical drive inside an
>>>>> Extended Partition can be booted using the boot loader (e.g.
>>>>> ntldr for WinNT/2K/XP) that can be in the Boot Sector of any one
>>>>> of the Primary Partitions. IOW, in WinXP, one can have the MBR of
>>>>> the drive with the highest boot priority (the "boot drive") pass
>>>>> control to the Primary Partition marked "active" on that drive,
>>>>> and the boot.ini boot menu in that active partition can point to
>>>>> an OS residing in ANY partition - including a
>>>>> logical drive within the Extended Partition - and boot load that
>>>>> OS. I expect that the same flexibility exists for WinVista and
>>>>> Win7. The restriction imposed on OSes residing on logical drives
>>>>> within Extended Partitions is that their boot loader must be on
>>>>> one of the Primary Partitions.
>>>>>
>>>>> The implication of this is that an OS clone can reside
>>>>> anywhere in the system - on any partition (Primary or Extended)
>>>>> and on any enabled internal hard drive - and it can be booted to
>>>>> running status without an intermediate "restoration" step needed
>>>>> for OS "images". I believe this
>>>>> also includes external eSATA hard drives if the motherboard has an
>>>>> eSATA controller.
>>>>>
>>>>> *TimDaniels*
>>>>
>>>>I didn't want to risk the danger of XP/Vista/Win7-irradiation to
>>>>learn all that, but it does sound magical indeed. I don't see that
>>>>mm mentioned his OS.
>>>
>>> I was only concerned about efficient ways to copy files. The
>>> question of how to boot occurs to me at times, but my head starts
>>> to spin and I have to lie down.
>>>
>>
>>Something's gone wrong! The hard drive is supposed to spin -- not your
>>head!
>>
>>>> Would that work for a volume that is Win98 too? (I
>>>>believe I've read a Win98 OS must begin within the first 8 GB of a
>>>>hard drive to boot, which may be a consideration.)
>>>
>>> Win98 definitely had more rules than XP, but when I lay down, they
>>> all drained out of my head via my ears.
>>
>>Uh-huh. Could be they changed the rules, & the NTLDR method may allow
>>it now. Hot-text is running a test. In the meantime, look under your
>>cot to see what's under there.
>>
>>>>
>>>>Should mm decide to do it that way -- it could be best for you to
>>>>stick around!
>>>
>>> Currently no computer I have can boot from USB. I was a couple
>>> weeks ago repairing an 18-month old netbook that could, and it was
>>> very convenient, since it had no CD drive or floppy drive.
>>
>>That would be convenient, then; yeah. So -- why do you want another
>>slot for a Primary Partition? I was presuming you wanted a partition
>>that would boot.
>
> No, I just wanted storage, for a disk-image iirc. This thread started
> 17 days ago, and I'm not sure anymore.
>
I'm not convinced you only wanted storage space or to know how to copy
80 GB fastest. If you stay in this thread -- you're going to have to
learn how to boot a new OS, whether it can be within an Extended
Partition, & whether it can start beyond 8 GB!
> If I weren't planning to move to another computer with a new bigger
> hdd, I might get a bigger HDD for this box, but when arranged right
> I've got enough room for a few months if necessary.
>
All right. That reminds me I still need to get a new HDD for backup,
myself!
> Thanks
You are welcome.
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